Episode 14 · 37:11

How AI can help you out in life

Dan and Tom test where AI is already useful in ordinary life: searching across complex material, drafting, automating repetitive work and helping people think through unfamiliar questions.

They are most interested in what happens after automation. If tools remove functional busywork, the freed attention should return to relationships, judgement and the parts of creative work that benefit from being human.

The useful bits

What to take with you

  • Use AI to get oriented quickly, then verify important details at the source.
  • Automation is most valuable when it removes repetitive friction rather than meaningful judgement.
  • A faster draft still needs a person to decide what is true, appropriate and worth saying.
  • Plan where saved time should go or efficiency will simply create more work.

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Dan0:01

Having your iPhone hopefully I look super high quality to you because I look super high quality to me and now I'm basically recording at 1080p um because I've upgraded my Mac and my iPhone to be on the new iOS which means I can use my my phone as a webcam and the reason why I don't have a webcam on my laptop is because this is a massive screen in front of me and my laptop is closed um to make room because I'm on a a.

Tom0:32

Moving desk as I shake myself to signify that I'm on a moving desk and then I've bumped up the settings in Riverside FM to record me at the highest quality can possibly do and then I think it will do whatever for you now funnily and funnily enough you were kind of like a misty blur um on my side so I'm not sure if there's a bad internet connection on your side or if no I am on my mind.

Dan1:03

Now I look way worse than you but my little laptop I think it's like 720P more than 124. which is pretty decent anyway to be honest like 720p is like fine especially for the scale and size of typically uh watching stuff obviously if we watched us on TV then maybe I'll be like wrinkles and all whereas you'll be just uh this soft smooth for your face yeah so today is another day of snow as you can see outside uh coming in from the.

Tom1:45

Whatever Direction the wind is blowing right now well to be fair it was here a couple days back so um uh if you're not listening to if you're not watching the podcast I have just shown people my outside window which is all covered in snow or outside it's covered in snow so anyway yesterday we recorded a podcast because we're trying to batch up some of these episodes so we can take a break of Christmas and I don't have.

Dan2:10

Any today hot take I try not to wear the gray hoodie this time yeah hot take I am wearing the same black T-shirt but it has a different logo so yesterday's black T-shirt had a heel logo today's black T-shirt has a Rylan Consulting logo so my hot take no actually let's start with your heart take give me give me a heart take all right you sent a lot of links in yesterday into our slack Channel about AI so maybe our hot take.

Tom2:41

Could be talking about how we can use AI as this new tool to advance our business and give everyone a heads up that there's listening yeah go for it thank you I agree you can you can start okay I'm starting this I'd probably know the least about it um well Dan's been sending a couple of links in and um one is more of an Artistry link so you type up the scene and then it creates a an image and then.

Dan3:16

You can type in more detail for more imaging so you might write like draw a rainbow and it'll be a picture of rainbow and then you have to maybe it's not the rainbow exactly what you wanted because there's an element of communication so you might be like draw a rainbow with clouds just to get more clarity but there's also elements of the brainstorming side of things I like how it looks like you're half smiling as I'm winging this no no I'm I'm liking it.

Tom3:45

Basically for those of you that are not watching right now I am doubling up my ability to look into my camera while not looking at you so I'm looking at my camera lenses and also just trying to listen to what you're saying in the same way that I was being interviewed by Sky Sports or Sky News or whatever where I just have an earpiece and I'd just be hearing that person through an earpiece so well actually sometimes you zoom.

Dan4:09

Anyway but let's pretend that I have Tom Ryan in the near piece more when you're not looking at me on the screen I'm peering to uh to um intensely into your eyes might be like how do I um what tweet should I send about my business and then it'll be basically give you 10 suggestions of what tweets you should suggest um obviously the more information the better I spotted a link today oh that quite Works quite well uh or a link last.

Tom4:46

Night I can't remember that I sent her done and it was someone typing in the thing it was the what is it something chat GPT yep chat that Dan actually showed me yesterday I saw someone on Instagram today trying to create a Drake song so it basically went to the website asked the AI to create a drape a Drake song and then basically pull it through some sort of synthesizer to sound like Drake and then played a beat.

Dan5:17

On top of it and it literally sounded like a Drake song rapping about beans I think it was was the topic and it's just yeah I think I guess there's two-fold conversation there's the it's interesting how it is massively helpful it's like learning about the TV for the first time or the internet it feels like we're at that cusp on one element but equally because it's instead of a platform for people to connect like the internet or TV it feels like it's half taking over.

Tom5:52

Certain jobs because I was basically saying oh well I guess it it needs us to revise ourselves as well okay what's the point of us humans or us as those jobs have been took over and as basically saying to Dan yesterday I actually quite like brainstorming but if you could get the AI to brainstorm for you and let's say it comes up with better ideas actually I need a change to be a better decision maker so let's say.

Dan6:19

It gives 10 ideas I need to do a decision and still build that idea to actually do it but in one more sense it's sort of half pulled away the fun of that element obviously I could go away and not type ideas into an AI machine but I guess yeah for those that don't like white pages and dealing with that is perfect because it kicks them on and gets them running but for those that are let's say write content that now the AI machine.

Tom6:46

Can pretty much do it eighty percent of it maybe have to hold its hand a little bit more than a person maybe once it's got it but it's like it is fascinating that yeah we're in an exciting time with ar VR and AI obviously I know that Apple I think are bringing out out there augmented reality stuff next year so it'll be quite interesting what they bring because they don't like to bring half-hearted attempts to the market obviously Mata with Facebook are trying.

Dan7:18

To kick on and then obviously all these sort of automation um ai's websites that feels like it's becoming bigger and bigger and I know it's a little garyvee was speaking about it this week up on one of his social medias to say it's worth learning about it's like the first time you learn about Facebook it's like get on it now basically yeah that was a great summary so to add to that a couple months back there was something called stable diffusion which.

Tom7:48

Is a you give it a prompt and a prompt is a set of keywords or a description um that you can provide to this AI model it will then generate four variations of an illustration or a photo and then you can ask it to refine that photo further or give me a variation of photo a or b or so forth and I think one of the best applications of that was coming up with comic books or coming up.

Dan8:17

With illustrations we're always wanting to you know fill a presentation with photos or a um yeah a website or whatever a live stream version or like a share screen version of ask the AI what we should talk about and then talk about it and then go into depths with that because I guess like a walk through might be quite half interesting yeah that would be fascinating let's if if this lets me if this has not kicked me out and I can log into chat AI right.

Tom8:47

Now this is the tension is building okay it might be that I can use it so let me show you two things and let's see if this like plays together cool if you're currently listening to us you're gonna you're gonna really struggle so basically YouTube yeah jump over to YouTube now and uh somehow I triggered my Siri which is wrong please I I please do not I don't want to speak to Siri stop cool so hopefully you can still hear me.

Dan9:27

And I can still hear you so chat AI um sorry chat on openai.com you can type this prompt in and this prompt uh can be anything so um I'm starting so again Danny is sharing his screen so move over to YouTube or Spotify now apparently your computer on Spotify oh yeah yeah so in Spotify you'll be able to watch it so so basically I've typed in yeah I've typed in um I'm starting a podcast what should I talk about so.

Tom9:57

Let's see if it says so it says there are many interesting topics that you could discuss on your podcast some popular ideas include current events personal experiences hobbies and expertise on a particular subject you could also consider having guests on your show to discuss a variety of topics and provide different perspectives ultimately the most important thing you choose um the thing to choose a topic that you are passionate about and that your other will engage your audience I think it was basically too.

Generic but so maybe I can be like so if you go what current events can we talk about now so let's say we dive into what it said reusing the words that it's used now it's not fully up to date with current events but what current events can I discuss on my podcast maybe let's let me answer that they'll basically say sorry I'm not connected to the news yeah it won't have any access to current event information because it's only up till 2021 but some.

General ideas discuss the latest news okay so it basically rehashed a similar kind of sentence right but ultimately it's a case of playing um with this thing so I'd be like um so I guess why don't you ask it what AI is or what is this chat bot is because maybe we can drill down with AI with AI to help us create a podcast about AI what three benefits are there of using AI what three benefits well broadly speaking I could tell you.

The benefits exactly now I've used it basically as the future Google so I don't go to Google anymore I just ask this chat AI questions so obviously the benefit of doing this is there's an increased efficiency like it's typing out here there's improved decision making because AI can analyze vast amount of data much more quickly and more accurately and it's an enhanced experience um which is basically watching this might have thought that that is your answer I just like riff those off my.

Donut yeah um but I find this is super helpful like for example I was asking questions yesterday um what does the Bible say about dealing with hard oops time so like you can ask it questions about like what does the Bible say about dealing with hard times and hopefully it'll take a little bit of time but it says the Bible may contain passages that offer guidance and support with dealing hard times and then it starts listing some like Bible verses about hard hard.

Times right that you can go to so it predominantly is a a Google on steroids but it's far better than that because you can give it a problem and it'll solve it like Google can't solve a problem for you Google will just you know run off the keywords that you do so for me I think the future of SEO right the future of search engine optimization will be working with whoever's generated this model off the trained data you will.

Basically pay to be a part of the trained data that it's trained on to be able to give like a an epic answer like this as like the source of of where it it gets its Knowledge from but this is like a chat version of it now there's a visual uh image version of this if I um jump over to Discord maybe I can switch my screen so you can see what's what um if I switch so hopefully you've uh.

Yeah so I'm going to switch to this right so this is the um so we've just shown you the text version right now this is stable diffusion so if I type in um let's be prompt imagine okay so um I was thinking this week about a um there's a building that's down the road in column Bay um our hometown called The Pavilions this Pub that's closed and the pub basically um has been shut for a bit now and it's.

On sale for 500k and I was like it'd be great if somebody if the community bought that and created it into a golf um a crazy golf miniature golf They would use local artists and local up cyclists to upcycle different um putting holes and then you would basically have tall putting holes and they'd be all crazy and then upstairs you'd have this like comedy um place right like a comedy place where people can come and try out their material and.

Have comedy nights and stuff and I was thinking a couple of names uh that would be quite funny to go alongside that right so one of my name ideas was around like Colin Bay they're famous for I think the Columbia area is famous for seagulls well not famous for seagulls but they're known for seagulls right because aren't they call on the team called seagulls it's got a seagull badge I don't know if they're called seagulls I'm assuming they would I think they're I think their.

Nickname is seagulls so I was thinking like basically a a logo would be about a seagull so if I want to generate an image so I'm going to put a prompt in so I basically want to generate an image that matches this uh logo right so a seagull uh holding a golf Club I'm going to say it's 4K realistic right so you'll see down here and you'll see other people are generating stuff as well I've literally just told it a.

Seagull holding a golf club 4K realistic is just like some basic keywords and I think the future is going to be that people will become prompt designers so this is a prompt and you can see I might be able to zoom in but I'm gonna zoom in okay not not very well and it's not holding a golf club so you can tell sometimes it can't deal with two objects at the same time but this is a like computer vision generating these images.

On the Fly um so if I was going to create a better description then maybe it would come up with a better thing basically it's just a highlighted the fact that I said a seagull and maybe I should have said a cartoon or something and I guess a golf club like on a golf course at the golf club so you can tell me what it's done yeah you can tell what it's done and and kind of like how it's trying to as in like a.

Seagull is a golf club on this one down here it seems on that image yeah let me it re it resends it so basically it's generated running ones now you can tell that that is kind of a look like golf clubs weird yeah so okay cool we're not going to be able to use any of these as our logos but if you take this this technology which is descriptions or prompts being then fed into something that generates images and.

Then you take the other one which is basically text descriptions and to generate a conversation you could come up with a story and some images or a or a um a storyboard and some images or a comic book or something so that's what I want to get to with um Tate bowed likes Journeys as my IP brand of utilizing these two technologies and somebody recently has released an ability to create game assets and with the similar technologies that you see here you'll.

Also see that lots of people are creating avatars or like profile images based off these kind of like keywords and stuff that they're putting in um so yeah this is definitely it's funny people thought that creatives were safe and people thought creativity will be the last thing that AI like attacks or comes for but actually it's been one of the first things that it comes for and it's done it incredibly well now it's not going to mean that you don't have to.

Fear it like people that fear it will be replaced right if you don't fear it then you won't be replaced because you'll see it actually it's more so a perspective of it being a tool so like Tom was saying if it can help in a um brainstorming or a conceptual space I think it'd be really good for example I was doing some research with our product Insider Insider is a Spotify meets patreon um subscription and streaming platform for music artists to make a sustainable.

Income from and I typed into the chat AI thing to be like what tools do music independent music artists use and it gave me a list of four different tools that use and I was like okay cool this third one I forgot about it I think it was um banned campus not band camp I've forgotten the name of IT band town or band something anyway let's call it band camp for now because that's that that is a tool.

Um and I was like well I could use that as Facebook targeting so anybody that likes bandcamp um basically show them this ad for Insider so it's basically giving me an like a the little extra things that I may have forgotten about or don't know about but it knows about to kind of help craft a marketing strategy or something like that and then the other thing was I was typing in hey tell me Bible verses about you know hard times or whatever.

Whatever and like whatever topic was and it would pull up stuff um and I find that that's sometimes just a little bit better than a Google search because Google search will be able to do similar things as in like here are some Bible verses that work but you'd have to look through 10 web pages to figure out and you you have to do a lot of the interpretation right of to be like oh that has this correctly answered my.

Question similar with like bug issues for code um you'd have to go through and figure out okay you have to read the thread because maybe this thread hasn't been answered and hasn't worked out for the person and it's still like an unfinished thread of hey I've got this issue in the and they're just going backwards and forwards so I think AI is super fascinating when it comes to asset creation or concepts um especially when it can get you.

Like it it removes the barrier so if you don't again like I've said before if you don't have illustration skills uh what else can you use so you could be like okay I'm just going to draw black and white drawings myself or potentially you could use something like this you literally just as you saw I was literally just typing questions and typing in words naturally you get better at it so one person was using that chat AI to say hey.

Write a prompt that describes the French Riviera it would give this blurb of sentences and keywords and then he put that into the stable diffusion stuff from mid journey and it was able to create it so I'm like it's fascinating both tools can kind of bounce off each other to be um to create stuff in a way but yeah it's it's fascinating it's really fascinating I think the chat stuff is um is really powerful again when it comes.

To copywriting it doesn't mean the copywriters are going to disappear or writers are going to disappear as such but it's going to help people that don't have that ability to come up with their ideas quicker so for example I I would love to write a book but I don't feel like I have the ability to do it but if I could give it an idea or a concept hey write a book about two brothers starting a podcast they named it don't be a store.

Stop it would basically finish the story for me you know um which I think is really really it would be really interesting if you could like input information I guess it's sort of like Wikipedia and let's say you imported all the don't be a doorstop content so then it learns how you say things and how you do things and it crops all the different stories that you said and create a timeline and then create it into book like yeah so you you.

Can feed it stuff so you could be like here are four examples of um podcast headings for example can you give us another idea so I have been working on like in trialling some of these tools sometimes it's good to come up with a project to build alongside testing a tool and I thought after watching all this politics stuff there was a TV series on Channel 4 about the alternative prime minister there was also a podcast which called the rest is.

Politics which I quite like um because it's kind of enhancing my like mindset and brain to some like new Dynamics and new interesting kind of angles and um what they're talking about is creativity and coming up with policies um and then how to fund those policies and I was like really we have a library of policies that exist so if I was like here are a hundred policies that exist come up with another 10 policy ideas so I basically created a website called.

Futureparty.ai and there's nothing much to it right now um which are genuinely AI generated policy recommendations uh based off of Old I trained it on um old manifestos of labor party conservative party pied camera and stuff just to see what it came up with it's not like so I trained like a custom model on it it's not that great because it doesn't I think I need to feed it more interesting ideas um because it kind of regurgitates some.

Of the same ideas but um I thought that was fascinating to be able to come up with a a nice to-do list of like here A bunch of policies that are interesting and fascinating and have some public benefit like which ones would you want to upvote and then the future party AI thing would become a political party based on AI generated policies and then AI generated funding mechanisms people then vote for what they want and then we would go forward with like okay these.

Are the top 10 policies that we're going to try and push for which I would which I think could be like a fascinating approach um so maybe at some point I will put more time into it to get it right and get it all singing and dancing and then once you've voted it you would then use that metric as a weight so for example free free School meals for kids if people upvote that more than you know free travel or.

Whatever whatever then it would be trying to generate more ideas along the free food kind of thought or sentiment and riff off that because I've read it sort of up and down yeah it has some sort of success metric or a waiting to tie against um that it can then use um but yeah I think AI is very fascinating it's important not to be scared by new technology and new innovation it's important to capitalize on it and figure out how you can use it.

To be creative and um try it out for yourself um similar with you know like we've discussed before the Industrial Revolution when engines turned up and it's like well hang in a minute I've been doing this manually what's going to happen to me well you just basically get retrained to be an engineer where rather than you know utilizing your own manual effort to you know excavate some coal from a rock You're Now using a machine to excavate coal from a rock obviously talking old.

School but um yeah people just get retrained and shifted on to be the managers or the or the maintenance of these tools or they cut they collate tool A and B to create something uniquely different and you uniquely new and some mice yeah I think it is interesting because it's one of those things I think I learned in I think my Master's Court not even Masters I think it was just uni course but the business section and it's.

Basically saying how life is a bit like a bell curve how you get like the early adapters at the start and then you get the mainstream and then you get the basically the people of Miss the whole Trend and then join in right at the end yeah and I definitely feel like it's the first time I felt like I'm probably on the earlier bit because I'm normally at the main bit or the low bit but it's like with this AI thing it's.

It's when you've seen the development of bibo to then Facebook or Amazon to to Whatsapp or whatever it's like you've got that enough knowledge and information to be like actually this could be then the massive one of what it would be like the AI chat next app or or whatever or how it can create new gifts for you and it's so fascinating because then it it highlights what is what is um relevant or helpful with that tool because I just it's completely separate.

Topic I was listening to some guys on social media basically playing a two second clip of something on Spotify that was linked to Blink 182 and you had to guess what song it was this guy you can guess the song I think he was guessing it in between 0.8 and it's so fascinating how it's like on an AI point of view it's like creating stuff is super good but actually letting things Trend like a popular song that everyone grew up with.

That you can attach to or like a gif that you recognize from let's say The Simpsons I wonder will that lifestyle slightly change because then creation and build would be greater but then Trends might be a lot more lower because let's say everyone is building something rather than just the people that build Simpsons and then a generation watches them or sunny side of Philadelphia they'll it's always sunny on Philadelphia or something like that that you recognize them but actually it might be.

Sort of the bottom of the pyramid might be all creating loads of stuff so at the top of the pyramid where everyone recognizes like the Friends theme tune or whatever might slowly like drip down of how would you keep on top of that the Animal Kingdom on top of yeah if AI does the sort of heavy lifting as we move forward that it might lift off a lot of people that get stuck with blank pages but actually it might pull down.

The people that are used to have in a a generational song that's very good or film or whatever that it might drop them into the mix of everyone else because it'll be so easy to maybe AI you can even write a book via it and then pump it through another software to then it creates a film from the AI or whatever it was so interesting yeah because it's already an ability to take those images and create it into a video and I think.

Google are working on something that was um Auto generating a video um of motions of things that it was describing and then as you describe it it would put it into the video and I think that would be beautiful for like people that want to make music videos right again I'm not afraid of any of this stuff I'm excited to just like utilize it um so you could create music videos with it you could create comic books with it.

You could create stories or children's books with it you could create blogs you can create articles with it like any sort of copywriting you know you could write a book that there's all sorts of like really interesting applications and it's about like carrying on playing with stuff to allow the unknown to kind of be given space to figure out what the what the right application or the real application would be and it's all in the name of Shifting time and effort to.

Something that has not been automated so for example relationships if you're working in a creative agency and we were able to automate some of the functional things that we did um and maybe automate some of the creativity then that just means that you'll be chatting to them more and speaking to them more and engaging with them and kind of discussing their business strategy and you know allowing kind of like deeper conversations rather than just focusing on what you've been.

Asked to do you could be asking about other opportunities for them to be Innovative in another technology or in another sphere that's like assisting their business um their business goals so it's all about shifting time and energy to just quote unquote more important things or quote unquote like more um impactful things because now we can automate creativity of course it's not entirely all the way which is fine and I think yeah I'm not offended by the fact that it can draw better than me I'm not.

Offended that it can come up with better ideas I'm like how do I use it how do I use it um and it's important that in that I I find that many people will go through a journey of self-improvement and that can sometimes include your career Journey or your what you're doing and your self-improvement might be that okay I used to do this manually but now I've come up with this tool that I can do it with this tool instead and it can be.

Very tiring and very lonely because not everybody is on the same Journey with the same intensities with the same challenges so in trying to do a journey of self-development from personal character traits and so forth and leveling up in that way to enlarge the the container in which purpose um Can fulfill or fill it up with it's like it's a difficult journey and also trying these new things for example there'll be a bunch of people that hate this stuff which is like compromising.

Their creativity or their ability to be creative and then there's a bunch of people that like know it enables my creativity there's always going to be two camps and I think it's better to be in the one that's like not afraid of this stuff and utilizing it um collectively with other tools to be even more creative than what you were before and not be scared about it really so yeah fascinating it is very fascinating so one thing we've never done on this.

Channel um just Segway is we've never asked people to like And subscribe and turn on the notification Bell fascinatingly so that when people are asked to do that they're more likely to do it and I I think that's just funny so we've never been really that bothered about whether or not you know you share it or subscribe or whatever and we can see you're doing it anyway but if you've not subscribed and um you would like to see more of our stuff then you should.

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Some point we'll have to do a review of what we did like what we didn't like and how we're going to go forward differently but um I think one of those I'm not sure maybe I should throw that in anyway but what we'd like to do is maybe include more people in the podcast going forward and so maybe one in every four would be inclusive of a guest or guests plural which would be interesting um so I think that's where we'd like to.

Take it in some ways but any closing thoughts I thought you were gonna read my mind essentially of like what's the answer spoken well no will we have but we haven't I would love to know so if you've stayed with us this far I would like to know should we create a Welsh episode in amongst all of this other stuff because that's actually who we are as people we we are intertwined it's not like another half of us that's like over.

There on the Welsh channel it's like I'd like to do it bit by bit and both at the same time rather than them separately and also to what extent do we do it so do we do the whole episode 100 rookie style yeah rookie style wenglish stuff um or do we do part of the episode or do we say like okay we talking oh that works wanglish Wednesdays as well English Wednesdays okay so maybe one one in every four could be just like a Welsh.

Thing because you can always turn on captions right if you're watching on YouTube and it'll be able to hopefully tell you it but maybe we'd have to do it all in the same language for it to be um kind of like understood to be able to do it with Welsh because I think it's only certain ones that it can detect we might need but I 100 want to do more yeah separate Channel I feel like it's too much effort because then it'll be like.

One last episode versus what are we now like 12 13 English episodes so I'd be like ah it that's not it's not enough it's it's not kind of like an afternoon it's like create a playlist in English yes yes why don't we do well should we should do three playlists like the actual episodes as they are as they come out and then in English only playlist and a Welsh only place but chances are we're going to be speaking English and we'll probably.

We'll probably be perhapsing the split so I'm kind of like oh we have an English wanglish Welsh yeah one episode that we were actually able to speak Welsh for the whole entire time because I think a lot of the time you know we just got to do something right it doesn't matter which way how but it's just something so maybe our next episode that we record you know may or may not be um next year yeah may or may not include.

Some aspect of another language so was that me reading your Marine well not me reading your brain but that's what you know if I had to say it but yeah so like And subscribe and look forward to the uh wenglish Wednesdays keep nailing those nails but we should also do a Christmas themed one where we wear Christmas hats and stuff you know uh I was thinking we should have an episode of us trying to create a jingle via um Garage Band as.

Well oh yes but the trouble is we can't run them we can't like edit it in very well I I have no ability to like edit these things with inside Riverside properly but um but yeah yeah you'll have to just play it on your phone yeah yeah it's so funny yeah but maybe you'll be like the Christmas jingle episode where we try and create a jingle right in front of your view and see how that goes so yeah.

Awesome until next time jingle all the way.